Curse

Kai Nui · May 17, 2006, 03:52 AM // 03:52

I don't know the exact levels at which to place the titles, but I have a good idea, I'll put in just random excerpts from different points in title tracks.

Casual Player - 100 hours

Seasoned Player - 1 million exp

Paragon - 500 skills unlocked

Fodder - 1,000 deaths

Obsessive Collector - 500 of one type of monster "trophy"

Massacre Creator - 1 million strong monsters slain

Aggrivating Noob - 100 monsters aggroed

Tailor - Customized or crafted 50 items

Devoted - Spent 100 hours in an explorable area while not inactive

Caregiver - Has has a pet gain 10000 exp and not die

Spawner - Created 1,000 spirits or minions

Orderly - Maintained enchantments while not inactive for a total 100 hours

In The Way - Interrupted 100 skills

Good Posture - Has been in stances for a total of 100 hours

Luxurious - Has used 500 signets successfully

Zinger314 · May 17, 2006, 04:03 AM // 04:03

The current system isn't some "Tales" series title system...

Almost all the current titles are skill-based. (Or drain-your-wallet based).

Just keep it that way.

BrotherGilburt · May 17, 2006, 05:51 AM // 05:51

Casual Player - 100 hours
(Not really earned as it will come eventually no matter what, also not what game is about)
Seasoned Player - 1 million exp
(This gives a title to farm bots)
Paragon - 500 skills unlocked
(ok, I'll agree with this)
Fodder - 1,000 deaths
(Its so easy to get 1,000 deaths, not really something to brag about eather)
Obsessive Collector - 500 of one type of monster "trophy"
(Promotes farm bots)
Massacre Creator - 1 million strong monsters slain
(Very very hard to do, also promoting farm bots)
Aggrivating Noob - 100 monsters aggroed
(Very easy, also still not really what game is about)
Tailor - Customized or crafted 50 items
(Customizeing costs 10g, way to easy)
Devoted - Spent 100 hours in an explorable area while not inactive
(Thats not what the game is about, and isn't very hard to do)
Caregiver - Has has a pet gain 10000 exp and not die
(Pets always die! It is very hard to keep a pet from dyeing. I guess this could be one if Anet really wants it to be though)
Spawner - Created 1,000 spirits or minions
(To based off of two classes)
Orderly - Maintained enchantments while not inactive for a total 100 hours
(Not really what game is about. This isn't really earned)
In The Way - Interrupted 100 skills
(To focused on 1-2 classes, also not to hard and will happen eventually no matter what)
Good Posture - Has been in stances for a total of 100 hours
(not really a title to earn. Not what game is about. Focused to much on warrior only, and very hard, most stances don't last 20 seconds, also could be done with bot?)
Luxurious - Has used 500 signets successfully
(Way to easy, people would just go out side cities(ascalon) and spam them, and could be done with bot)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zinger314

The current system isn't some "Tales" series title system...

Almost all the current titles are skill-based. (Or drain-your-wallet based).

Just keep it that way.

Also he is very right.

Brother Gilburt

Kai Nui · May 19, 2006, 08:50 PM // 20:50

First off before correcting poor Gilburt here, I'd like to mention that this game isn't about spending ungodly ammounts of money on beer to get a title. I realize that, we all realize that, and this title could be easily "eBayed" and done by botters. That totally invalidates a lot of his arguments right there. So what if a bot or two gets a title for slaying monsters or what not? For the average player which make up the majority, these would be good, additional titles. If you don't agree, or even if you do, allow me to show you what I mean more in depth. I'll be using this font to distinguish.

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Originally Posted by BrotherGilburt

Casual Player - 100 hours
(Not really earned as it will come eventually no matter what, also not what game is about)
Yes, this title in particular isn't hard to achieve, but this is just tier 1. 1,000 hours, 10,000 hours, on the other hand aren't as easy to come by. (BTW the average person lives 160,000 hours I believe.)

Seasoned Player - 1 million exp
(This gives a title to farm bots)
Sure, this is one of the lower tiers, and for the more avid player, they'd get something out of fighting. Sure botters could get this, but I haven't seen too many botters bragging about their titles. You kind of have to be a human to do that.

Paragon - 500 skills unlocked
(ok, I'll agree with this)
Awesome.

Fodder - 1,000 deaths
(Its so easy to get 1,000 deaths, not really something to brag about eather)
LOL of course it's easy to get, this is a lower tier. I myself am at around 5,000 deaths, not that I care, I'm a mesmer and die easily and minion factory has to do with it. (It's also spelled: "either" not "eather."

Obsessive Collector - 500 of one type of monster "trophy"
(Promotes farm bots)
Promotes bots just as much as the chest opening title that we already have. Not really a valid argument.

Massacre Creator - 1 million strong monsters slain
(Very very hard to do, also promoting farm bots)
This is a higher up tier, and when I say strong monster I mean level 20 and higher, not bosses neccisarily. Or maybe it will mean bosses, I don't see many people soloing or botting bosses... oh well. It is pretty high, but then again so are a few of the others out there.

Aggrivating Noob - 100 monsters aggroed
(Very easy, also still not really what game is about)
Again, this particular tier is easy, but maybe into the thousands range it's a bit tougher. I really don't like this to be honest, more of a boredom intermition title as I was thinking lol.

Tailor - Customized or crafted 50 items
(Customizeing costs 10g, way to easy)
This is a really low tier, probably the first one. It probably will go up extremely high, just a boredom title to add to the titles.

Devoted - Spent 100 hours in an explorable area while not inactive
(Thats not what the game is about, and isn't very hard to do)
So you're saying the game isn't about being in explorable areas and fighting and doing stuff? This particular tier isn't very hard to achieve, yes, AND FROM HERE ON I WILL NO LONGER ADDRESS THE EASY/HARD LEVEL OF TITLES. I said it at my first post that this was just random titles at random levels.

Caregiver - Has has a pet gain 10000 exp and not die
(Pets always die! It is very hard to keep a pet from dyeing. I guess this could be one if Anet really wants it to be though)
The personal character one is hard, much less the pet one. If your pet dies, at least you can drop it and get another.

Spawner - Created 1,000 spirits or minions
(To based off of two classes)
Actually 3. Necromancer, Ritualist, and Ranger.

Orderly - Maintained enchantments while not inactive for a total 100 hours
(Not really what game is about. This isn't really earned)
Monks have to take out thier own energy to maintain enchantments, the longer they do so to aid others, the more title they earn.

In The Way - Interrupted 100 skills
(To focused on 1-2 classes, also not to hard and will happen eventually no matter what)
Yeah, 100 interrupts is pretty low on the scale. Warriors, Mesmers, Rangers, and a few others have an ability to interrupt (includes knockdowns and deaths) and can do so.

Good Posture - Has been in stances for a total of 100 hours
(not really a title to earn. Not what game is about. Focused to much on warrior only, and very hard, most stances don't last 20 seconds, also could be done with bot?)
Mesmer mantras can last for something near 2 minutes, plus this is just as time consuming as staying drunk for 10,000 hours. after an hour I got bored and out of cash lol.

Luxurious - Has used 500 signets successfully
(Way to easy, people would just go out side cities(ascalon) and spam them, and could be done with bot)
Wow, really? You mean someone might deliberately try to get this title by... SPAMMING THEM? Oh god, I'm so lightheaded. Someone please tell me this isn't the last tier in the title line! Oh goodness please!

Also he is very right.

Brother Gilburt

ONE last thing. You may be thinking, "Oh noes! That's a load of garbage because my Mesmer/Monk cannot conjure spirits or minions for that title!", well dang. I'm happy to say that you have to swap your secondary for the already present elite skill capping title, and you'll have to do the same for some of these. Yeah, dang, no excuses now as to why you can't do one or another.

mattjones527 · May 20, 2006, 12:59 AM // 00:59

/signed

I like the your ideas for new titles, some of them seem a little silly. But i'm all for adding any new content.

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Originally Posted by Kai Nui

BTW the average person lives 160,000 hours I believe.

160,000 / 24(hrs in a day) = 6667 days.
6667 / 365(days in a yr) = 18.26 yrs

I think your average life may be a little off, atleast I hope so.

Arkantos · May 20, 2006, 01:28 AM // 01:28

Casual Player - 100 hours
All they gotta do is keep GW on.
Seasoned Player - 1 million exp
Bots
Paragon - 500 skills unlocked
/signed
Fodder - 1,000 deaths
This is easy to get.
Obsessive Collector - 500 of one type of monster "trophy"
Bots again
Massacre Creator - 1 million strong monsters slain
Maybe more like 1,000 lvl 20+ monsters slain =\
Aggrivating Noob - 100 monsters aggroed
Is this a joke?
Tailor - Customized or crafted 50 items
/signed
Devoted - Spent 100 hours in an explorable area while not inactive
Again, is this a joke?
Caregiver - Has has a pet gain 10000 exp and not die
/signed
Spawner - Created 1,000 spirits or minions
/signed
Orderly - Maintained enchantments while not inactive for a total 100 hours
Not hard to use skills
In The Way - Interrupted 100 skills
Not hard to interupt
Good Posture - Has been in stances for a total of 100 hours
Again, all you gotta do is press 1-8 using stances.
Luxurious - Has used 500 signets successfully
Warrior spamming healing sig.

unda dawg · May 20, 2006, 02:26 AM // 02:26

i like them, brother gilburt, stop complaining. ppl pay money so they can taken to the places they missed for the grandmaster cartographer title! ppl can give u ale for the drunkyard title! u can use bots for like anything so u cant say bots r gonna ruin the titles

Malice Black · May 20, 2006, 02:38 AM // 02:38

just a quick point...bots/ebay farmers aint out to get "titles" they are out to make their employer money by exploiting the game

zerowingcats · May 20, 2006, 02:54 AM // 02:54

/signed

kaya · May 20, 2006, 03:10 AM // 03:10

Although i dont agree with all of them... i really do think the more title the better. I think it's kinda stupid that 1/3 of the people you see have the map explorer one. with more titles, people will split off, and gain the ones they want too. it'll be a lot more nice to see people with different titles.

Sol_Vie · May 20, 2006, 03:25 AM // 03:25

/signed

I'd like to see more titles and some of those would be great. I do like the 1mill exp title. My R/Mo has 800k right now and I'd love to have some kind of exp title for him. Granted, bots could easily have this as could any farmer but... who cares?

As for the objections about the titles that don't take skill... are you saying that buying Ale from a merchant, dragging your mouse over to the item and double clicking it to use it takes skill? Come on now be reasonable. Not all titles take skill nor should they.

Wrath Of Dragons · May 20, 2006, 03:36 AM // 03:36

i think new titles would indeed be fun. i really like the Caregiver and Paragon ones. And the paragon one would be really neat in that pvp AND pve could enjoy it.

Tarun · May 20, 2006, 04:16 AM // 04:16

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bloody Death

Seasoned Player - 1 million exp
Bots

Bots? Not always dude. My warrior is like, ten months old and I have nearly two million exp.

/signed

BrotherGilburt · May 20, 2006, 05:52 AM // 05:52

All BOLD is my responce.

All Italic is Kai Nui's responce.

Casual Player - 100 hours
Not really earned as it will come eventually no matter what, also not what game is about
Yes, this title in particular isn't hard to achieve, but this is just tier 1. 1,000 hours, 10,000 hours, on the other hand aren't as easy to come by. (BTW the average person lives 160,000 hours I believe.)
Why give away a title for free?

Seasoned Player - 1 million exp
This gives a title to farm bots
Sure, this is one of the lower tiers, and for the more avid player, they'd get something out of fighting. Sure botters could get this, but I haven't seen too many botters bragging about their titles. You kind of have to be a human to do that.
It so easy to get XP. If your not giving a title to bots, your giving it to people that solo farm all day.

Paragon - 500 skills unlocked
ok, I'll agree with this. /signed
Awesome.
EDIT: I changed my mind after Evilsod made his post. Yes, you could just buy skills all day. Thats not good

Fodder - 1,000 deaths
Its so easy to get 1,000 deaths, not really something to brag about eather
LOL of course it's easy to get, this is a lower tier. I myself am at around 5,000 deaths, not that I care, I'm a mesmer and die easily and minion factory has to do with it. (It's also spelled: "either" not "eather)."
Why give away a title for free? There is a title you get for having 5 titles already. Titles that are to easy to get would make that title not so good.

Obsessive Collector - 500 of one type of monster "trophy"
Promotes farm bots
Promotes bots just as much as the chest opening title that we already have. Not really a valid argument.
Ok, /signed

Massacre Creator - 1 million strong monsters slain
Very very hard to do, also promoting farm bots
This is a higher up tier, and when I say strong monster I mean level 20 and higher, not bosses neccisarily. Or maybe it will mean bosses, I don't see many people soloing or botting bosses... oh well. It is pretty high, but then again so are a few of the others out there.
I never thought you meet boss's. Also this can be accomplished by solo farming. I just don't think stuff that can be accomplished by soloing should be a title. All the titles out there not involve you have to work with gruops to get(with an exception to drunk title)

Aggrivating Noob - 100 monsters aggroed
Very easy, also still not really what game is about
Again, this particular tier is easy, but maybe into the thousands range it's a bit tougher. I really don't like this to be honest, more of a boredom intermition title as I was thinking lol.
Something I didn't include. This can be acomplished by a warrior running through mobs of monsters. A runner can get this title. Also it should have a better name. This makes the kind of a big deal title useless.

Tailor - Customized or crafted 50 items
Customizeing costs 10g, way to easy
This is a really low tier, probably the first one. It probably will go up extremely high, just a boredom title to add to the titles.
Again this makes the kind of a big deal title worthless.

Devoted - Spent 100 hours in an explorable area while not inactive
thats not what the game is about, and isn't very hard to do
So you're saying the game isn't about being in explorable areas and fighting and doing stuff? This particular tier isn't very hard to achieve, yes, AND FROM HERE ON I WILL NO LONGER ADDRESS THE EASY/HARD LEVEL OF TITLES. I said it at my first post that this was just random titles at random levels.
Theres an exploration title which is good enough to prove you have been in zones. Also if you think about it 100 hours will of course happen no matter what. This is another title you can get that will make the Kind of a big deal title worthless.

Caregiver - Has has a pet gain 10000 exp and not die
Pets always die! It is very hard to keep a pet from dyeing. I guess this could be one if Anet really wants it to be though
The personal character one is hard, much less the pet one. If your pet dies, at least you can drop it and get another.

Spawner - Created 1,000 spirits or minions
to based off of two classes
Actually 3. Necromancer, Ritualist, and Ranger.
Sooo? still only ment for 3 of 8 class's. Sure people can use this as secondary but normaly they won't.

Orderly - Maintained enchantments while not inactive for a total 100 hours
Not really what game is about. This isn't really earned
Monks have to take out thier own energy to maintain enchantments, the longer they do so to aid others, the more title they earn.
Not all classes will be maintaining enchantments.

In The Way - Interrupted 100 skills
To focused on 1-2 classes, also not to hard and will happen eventually no matter what
Yeah, 100 interrupts is pretty low on the scale. Warriors, Mesmers, Rangers, and a few others have an ability to interrupt (includes knockdowns and deaths) and can do so.
Anet should not make a title only ment for a few classes

Good Posture - Has been in stances for a total of 100 hours
not really a title to earn. Not what game is about. Focused to much on warrior only, and very hard, most stances don't last 20 seconds, also could be done with bot?
Mesmer mantras can last for something near 2 minutes, plus this is just as time consuming as staying drunk for 10,000 hours. after an hour I got bored and out of cash lol.
Again, to limited to only a few classes

Luxurious - Has used 500 signets successfully
Way to easy, people would just go out side cities(ascalon) and spam them, and could be done with bot
Wow, really? You mean someone might deliberately try to get this title by... SPAMMING THEM? Oh god, I'm so lightheaded. Someone please tell me this isn't the last tier in the title line! Oh goodness please!
...Not all classes use signets to.

Alot of these are based around only 2-3 classes. Anets not adding something like that anytime soon.

Also the easy ones make it to easy to get kind of a big deal title. I see no point in makeing titles easy to get. Titles are supposed to be special. Not something you can get by doing virtually nothing.

Also you should make titles that will be awarded to you no matter what. All current titles will not happen if you don't work for them.

Brother Gilburt

Avarre · May 20, 2006, 05:59 AM // 05:59

I agree with Gilburt on about everything... some of these titles are pointless.

MrScaRy · May 20, 2006, 06:01 AM // 06:01

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kai Nui

Orderly - Maintained enchantments while not inactive for a total 100 hours

Wammo's ftw!!

Roupe · May 20, 2006, 10:58 AM // 10:58

Seasoned team Player

finishing 5 seperate missions, 10 missions, 20 etc
without anyone in the party dies

samifly · May 20, 2006, 11:24 AM // 11:24

if your a farm bot, your not really going to care about a title, now are you? 1 million xp is rather easy to get, especially now in factions, so thats sorta pointless.

Evilsod · May 20, 2006, 11:52 AM // 11:52

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Originally Posted by Avarre

I agree with Gilburt on about everything... some of these titles are pointless.

qft

Don't see the point in the Paragon title either, we have the elite title because its hard to get/takes time, not just to buy skills all day from Ember Light Camp.

The whole point of Kind of a Big Deal was to make it hard to attain, i'm at 2/5 so far and working on my elites (even though i need to buy factions to finish it...). If i could get this title by just sitting outside an encampment casting Healing Signet all day long whats the point in this title?

Kai Nui · May 21, 2006, 12:25 AM // 00:25

GILBERT. I guess you don't understand that the titles at the end there are for certain classes. YES. DUH. I guess you really don't understand that I made something for every class up there so that you'd always be able to get one title. Yeah, you may not be able to get the spirit making one on your warrior monk, but you can still get the aggroing one and the maintaining one. I can't get those too easily on my Mesmer Necromancer though because there aren't any maintaining skills or many non warrior or assassin RUNNERS (which aggro, which is the underlying reason of this skill, no one really picked up on it I guess). You can get the spirit making one and the In The Way title though.

Something for everyone, and if you want to swap secondary you can. You have to for the elite skill one, if you don't want to that's fine, you can still get titles. You have to have factions and prophecies for the elite one too, so there's a lot there.

I started this topic because I saw that in a town the only titles I would see were 60% Tyrian Explorer, and most of the time people didn't have titles. People should be able to get titles to show off thier originality, not their only accomplishment of playing through tyria and getting over 50% of the map. Anyone can do that.

Yes, I know that some of the titles seem a little bit ridiculous like the aggroing one, but when I made this, I wanted it to make it so the game had many titles. That way if you want to show off that you like to aggro monsters as your title, so be it. Of course, not many people do, it's just more of a way to show you're different from everyone else.

Also, what's this bot argument and farming argument? As far as I see it, you can get power leveled for the survivor one and chest opening and item identifying will definitely be done by farmers more I'd think.

Yes, the 1million exp is screaming farmer to you is it? I'm a mesmer with over 2 million exp and yeah, I farm. The farming gives me skill points that I use to unlock skills, and it's a fast way to do so. Yeah, extreme farmers might get this title up to really high, but so what? It's not like it is promoting farmers, it's just something to show how far you've come. If people seriously farmed monsters for exp for this title, then I guess they should get it, I don't see any problem with it, they earned it...

EDIT: After reading into what's been said more deeply I've come to this after looking at the titles:

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Drunkard
Granted to a character who has spent 1000 minutes drunk.
Incorrigible Ale-Hound
Granted to a character who has spent 10,000 minutes drunk.

Ebay the money, get a bot that's timed to click the beers until you get the title.

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Treasure Hunter
Granted to a character who has opened 100 high-end chests.
Adept Treasure Hunter
Granted to a character who has opened 250 high-end chests.
Advanced Treasure Hunter
Granted to a character who has opened 550 high-end chests.
Expert Treasure Hunter
Granted to a character who has opened 1200 high-end chests.
Elite Treasure Hunter
Granted to a character who has opened 2500 high end chests.
Master Treasure Hunter
Granted to a character who has opened 5000 high end chests.

A farmer constantly goes by a chest and opens it. 5,000 trips later or less if there are 2 chests, and he's in business?

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Seeker of Wisdom
Granted to a character who has identified 100 rare items.
Collector of Wisdom
Granted to a character who has identified 250 rare items.
Devotee of Wisdom
Granted to a character who has identified 550 rare items.
Devourer of Wisdom
Granted to a character who has identified 1200 rare items.

God forbid someone ebays money to buy a bunch of unidentified gold items and then identifies them.

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Survivor
Granted to a character who has reached 140,600 experience points without dying. Using the command /deaths must return a zero.
Indomitable Survivor
Granted to a character who has reached 587,500 experience points without dying.
Legendary Survivor
Granted to a character who has reached 1,337,500 experience points without dying

Ran somewhere and power leveled

Now, seeing as the current titles can be exploited in some way, does that mean we should still keep them? Why have titles at all? Are you saying we should get rid of the idea of adding in new unique titles that the every day player like you and me would be able to get because there's a few flaws? That's like saying Anet should nerf Guildwars into a world where everyone has the same skills so it's truly equal, get rid of all monsters so we can't farm them for cash, make only one area so we can't have runners making money, and finally make it so characters can't get more than 1 title so you can't get Kind of a Big Deal. :/

Maybe in simpler terms, just completely take protective spirit out of the game so people can't solo farm with it.

Another thing I should mention before I go:

When I was making these, I was thinking of making them more along the lines of the key and chest ones. I don't think anyone has reached the end of those, and I don't know if there really is an end. I thought rank 12 was the max, but apparently it isn't... Not many people get that high, and of the people who do, they should be able to show off that they made 1,000 spirits, 10,000 spirits, or used over 1,000 signets or stayed in stances for a total of 1,000 hours or whatever. Yeah, anyone can do it, but who says that's the end? I know when I am out unlocking chests that I will never reach 5,000 opened chests. That's insane. But I do know that when I do open chests that I'm opening to get a title to show that I have opened up quite a few chests. I might get to the 250 mark before I slow down, but I'd like to simply show off that I've interrupted 300 skills or created 500 minions or what not.

Hopefully that makes sense, if not, please say why and I'll go reword it because I'm trying to make a point...